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2012-02-09T20:30:00.000-08:00

An Interesting blog by Pritish Nandy........

I was an MP not very long ago. I loved those six years.

Everyone called me sir, not because of my age but because I was an MP.

And even though I never travelled anywhere by train during those years, I reveled in the fact that I could have gone anywhere I liked, on any train, first class with a bogey reserved for my family.

Whenever I flew, there were always people around to pick up my baggage, not because I was travelling business class but because I was an MP.

And yes, whenever I wrote to any Government officer to help someone in need, it was done. No, not because I was a journalist but because I was an MP.

The job had many perquisites, apart from the tax free wage of Rs 4,000. Then the wages were suddenly quadrupled to Rs 16,000, with office expenses of Rs 20,000 and a constituency allowance of Rs 20,000 thrown in. I could borrow interest free money to buy a car, get my petrol paid, make as many free phone calls as I wanted. My home came free. So did the furniture, the electricity, the water, the gardeners, the plants. There were also allowances to wash curtains and sofa covers and a rather funny allowance of Rs 1,000 per day to attend Parliament, which I always thought was an MP's job in the first place! And, oh yes, we also got Rs 1 Crore a year (now enhanced to Rs 2 Crore) to spend on our constituencies. More enterprising MPs enjoyed many more perquisites best left to your imagination. While I was embarrassed at being vastly overpaid for the job I was doing, they kept demanding more.

Today, out of 543 MPs in Lok Sabha, 315 are Crorepatis. That's 60%. 43 out of the 54 newly elected Rajya Sabha MPs are also millionaires. Their average declared assets are over Rs 25 Crore each. That's an awfully wealthy lot of people in whose hands we have vested our destiny.

The assets of your average Lok Sabha MP have grown from Rs 1.86 Crore in the last house to Rs 5.33 Crore. That's 200% more. And, as we all know, not all our MPs are known to always declare all their assets. Much of these exist in a colour not recognised by our tax laws. That's fine, I guess. Being an MP gives you certain immunities, not all of them meant to be discussed in a public forum.

If you think it pays to be in the ruling party, you are dead right: 7 out of 10 MPs from the Congress are Crorepatis. The BJP have 5. MPs from some of the smaller parties like SAD, TRS and JD (Secular) are all Crorepatis while the NCP, DMK, RLD, BSP, Shiv Sena, National Conference and Samajwadi Party have more Crorepatis than the 60% average.

Only the CPM and the Trinamool, the two Bengal based parties, don't field Crorepatis. The CPM has 1 correlate out of 16 MPs; the Trinamool has 7 out of 19. This shows in the state-wise average. West Bengal and Kerala have few correlate MPs while Punjab and Delhi have only correlate MPs and Haryana narrowly misses out on this distinction with one MP, poor guy, who's not a correlate.

Do MPs become richer in office? Sure they do. Statistics show that the average assets of 304 MPs who contested in 2004 and then re-contested last year grew 300%. And, yes, we're only talking about declared assets here.

But then, we can't complain. We are the ones who vote for the rich. Over 33% of those with assets above Rs 5 Crore won the last elections while 99.5% of those with assets below Rs 10 lakhs lost! Apart from West Bengal and the North East, every other state voted for correlate MPs. Haryana grabbed first place with its average MP worth Rs 18 Crore. Andhra is not far behind at 16.

But no, this is not enough for our MPs. It's not enough that they are rich, infinitely richer than those who they represent, and every term makes them even richer. It's not enough that they openly perpetuate their families in power. It's not enough that all their vulgar indulgences and more are paid for by you and me through backbreaking taxes. It's not enough that the number of days they actually work in Parliament are barely 60 in a year.

The rest of the time goes in squabbling and ranting. Now they want a 500%pay hike and perquisites quadrupled. The Government, to buy peace, has already agreed to a 300% raise but that's not good enough for our MPs. They want more, much more.

And no, I'm not even mentioning that 150 MPs elected last year have criminal cases against them, with 73 serious, very serious cases ranging from rape to murder.

Do you really think these people deserve to earn 104 times what the average Indian does.

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News or "event" trading can be a lure for the trader that can end up getting him/her eaten alive. Here are some thoughts on why and how to avoid being eaten up yourself.

Attempting to trade the news presents us with three issues to contend with.

First, is it reliable and accurate? We know revisions occur all the time on economic data.

World events are also subject to confusion and errors when the news first breaks and everyone is trying to figure out what is going on. Sometimes it can be days before we know what really happened (if truly ever).

Along these same lines, regarding the release of economic data, there is evidence that the numbers are sold off privately prior to being released publically. This tilts the odds in favor of those in the know, and puts the public in the position of being 'the mark' at the table.

The second issue is trying to figure out what the news or information means to the market. Assuming you have true and accurate information, how is this going to affect the dynamics of all the interconnecting systems? What will it mean to the securities you trade?

The third issue will be familiar to anyone who has ever attempted to trade the news consistently.. Even when you think you have the first two issues resolved, the market doesn't behave how you 'expected' given the new information. It would seem obvious that the news is good/bad and the market should have moved up/down. But it didn't.

An easy solution may be to consider not focusing on the news as the main event driver.

You will find that frequently, when there is a significant technical 'trigger' point reached, news events will occur 'coincidentally' that will exaggerate or increase the volatility of the event. At these points, news or events will occur that will seem to push the markets in one direction or another.

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1) have a trading strategy that doesn't care what the news is or which way the market moves - no bias - trade what it does, not what you think, or anyone else thinks or expects - factor in a higher volatility potential at release time.

(2) learn and understand what is really going on in the world - not the mainstream fantasy interpretation/propaganda matrix version of events. Then you will know what is going to happen, and what the news most likely is going to be, why, and the effect it will have on the markets. Ie. the current EU crises isn't an accident or a product of random events or 'bad decisions'. It is a planned event, much like the 1st great depressions. Understand this, then you know what is going to happen today, where we are headed, and what needs to transpire in-between to get us there.

Anything else is not much different than guessing and gambling.

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Currently I get the "anticipated" news reports for free from Forexfactory.com/calender. --Then about 20 secs after the scheduled release--they post the "actual" report. Sometimes the "anticipated news" is different from the "actual news". Surely someone else provides a more accurate "anticipated news" service for a subscription fee. Does anyone know where I can pay for such a service?

tks,

Pat

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Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)

2012-02-08T11:31:00.001-08:00

The gist of it is the truism that, "No betting system can overcome a negative expectation." Now, if in the short-term you get lucky and win first and then quit, you've "beaten" the odds, but in the long run, the odds should win out. In your scenario, you'll have more times where it goes against you than with you. And while capping your losses and starting again next trip sounds good, the games have no memory, so there's no reason that it will be different than if you took a 1 minute break - or no break, for that matter. You will have a positive outlier at some time, but there's no reason that it would happen on a "next trip" than for it to start on the next hand, so no logic in going away and coming back to try. In the end, the odds will get you.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 2:20 PM, <visgage@rof.net> wrote:

What if you had incredibly sound money management with the funds. I mean
you go to the casino and start losing and you cap your losses and then you
look for the outlier days that may occur once or twice a yr assuming you
visit the casino maybe once or twice a month or so, and expose limited
capital. I mean they clearly have the edge but they do not control the
money--You Do---and that's big. Folks go to casinos with limited time to
gamble and they are screwed--because its like I have two days to play-- I
am going for it and they hit the normal losing streak and say oh well it
was mostly fun and the drinks were free!
David

Sounds like a fine method for the market, but I beg to differ on the L.V.
> aspect. I'd be curious as to how you've been able to use that method in
> LV,
> because, as the dice and cards don't have a memory, the only way to win in
> LV (aside from sports betting or slots, but I doubt that's your reference)
> is by cheating. Or getting lucky over the short term and quitting. The
> probabilities are built-in to every game, and all of them favor the house,
> no matter the strategy. You may find a backtest where it happened to skew
> one way or another, but it's not going to be predictive of the future; the
> future results will skew it back towards the long-term, normal probability
> of a house edge of .08 to 10% or so, depending on the game.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> **

>>
>>
>> One's person's meat is another's poison. Everyone has their own
>> appraoch.
>> Mine-as a matter of fact IS the LAS VEGAS method. I approach the market
>> in
>> exactly the same way. Look for the probabilities--backtest--do a
>> statistical
>> analysis, etc, etc. If you truely want to win in Las Vegas--this is what
>> you
>> need to do--cause that is what the pros do. For me--I can scalp trade
>> the
>> 30
>> min bar with 75% probability. The only way I got there is by testing,
>> testing, testing. What I;m trying to do is costantly trying to find
>> anything
>> that would improve my odds--could be the news--could be the orientation
>> of
>> the planets--the whistle of a train--even price action--I really don't
>> care--just as long as I can backtest it and come up with a consistent
>> probability.
>> respectfully,
>>
>> Pat
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Chickering" <mjc4118@yahoo.com>
>> To: <e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)
>>
>> > Personally I avoid trading near news items because if that reason.
>> There
>> > are simply too many opportunities for good trades that do not have the
>> > potential for disaster due to unforseen economic reports to be unwise
>> > about the timing of my entries. Most technical traders tell you to
>> avoid
>> > entries near economic reports for a reason. It is pretty much the
>> first
>> > rule you learn. If you want to gamble go to Las Vegas. At the tables
>> at
>> > least you know your odds. TRading is a business and risk reward
>> management
>> > is part of the business. This is not Las Vegas...
>> > Thanks
>> > Mark
>> > Sent from my mobile.
>> >
>> > Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>All you say is true--what I was hoping to find was "someone" who would
>> be
>> >>doing their own calculations (avoiding inside trading)--and while not
>> >>coming up with the exact report number--but would be pretty close. The
>> >>reason I suspect that this is available ( obviously--could be 100%
>> >>wrong)--but as I look at my indicators before the news--most of the
>> time
>> >>they support the news that comes out 20 secs later. For
>> scalping--which
>> is
>> >>what I do--20 secs is a very long time to wait.--but I may have no
>> choice.
>> >>Yesterday was perfect example--at the 30min bar after day Open--I had
>> >>perfect signal to short--and the news was forecasted as "bad". But--in
>> >>fact--the news was not only not as bad as forecasted--it actually was
>> very
>> >>"good"--and the market immediately turned against me. This is what I'm
>> >>trying to avoid. Will try your suggestion.
>> >>Thanks for thoughts,
>> >>Pat
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Jack Jensen
>> >> To: e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:54 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To my knowledge, for the most part there isn't anything better. With
>> the
>> >> exception of the MI Sentiment Index, which you can subscribe to and
>> get
>> >> that report :05-:10 earlier than the public announcement. I'm not
>> sure
>> >> why you can with that (private co.?), but with the others, if you
>> could
>> >> get it before it's "public knowledge", it would be insider trading.
>> Hence
>> >> part of the uproar over congress having access to much of the numbers
>> >> before it's made public and trading on it. There may be "better" or
>> worse
>> >> predictions of the expectation, but not likely
>> >> significantly/consistently. And you still have the factor of not
>> knowing
>> >> to what degree the news was baked into the market, whether the
>> results
>> >> was significant enough of a departure from the expectation to merit a
>> >> move, etc. My advice is to just ignore it and focus on the more
>> >> predictive, if smaller, moves.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Currently I get the "anticipated" news reports for free from
>> >> Forexfactory.com/calender. --Then about 20 secs after the scheduled
>> >> release--they post the "actual" report. Sometimes the "anticipated
>> news"
>> >> is different from the "actual news". Surely someone else provides a
>> more
>> >> accurate "anticipated news" service for a subscription fee. Does
>> anyone
>> >> know where I can pay for such a service?
>> >> tks,
>> >> Pat
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jack Jensen
>> >>
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Jack Jensen

"Life is not holding a good hand. Life is playing a poor hand well." - Danish Proverb

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Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)

2012-02-08T11:20:00.000-08:00

What if you had incredibly sound money management with the funds. I mean
you go to the casino and start losing and you cap your losses and then you
look for the outlier days that may occur once or twice a yr assuming you
visit the casino maybe once or twice a month or so, and expose limited
capital. I mean they clearly have the edge but they do not control the
money--You Do---and that's big. Folks go to casinos with limited time to
gamble and they are screwed--because its like I have two days to play-- I
am going for it and they hit the normal losing streak and say oh well it
was mostly fun and the drinks were free!
David

Sounds like a fine method for the market, but I beg to differ on the L.V.
> aspect. I'd be curious as to how you've been able to use that method in
> LV,
> because, as the dice and cards don't have a memory, the only way to win in
> LV (aside from sports betting or slots, but I doubt that's your reference)
> is by cheating. Or getting lucky over the short term and quitting. The
> probabilities are built-in to every game, and all of them favor the house,
> no matter the strategy. You may find a backtest where it happened to skew
> one way or another, but it's not going to be predictive of the future; the
> future results will skew it back towards the long-term, normal probability
> of a house edge of .08 to 10% or so, depending on the game.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> One's person's meat is another's poison. Everyone has their own
>> appraoch.
>> Mine-as a matter of fact IS the LAS VEGAS method. I approach the market
>> in
>> exactly the same way. Look for the probabilities--backtest--do a
>> statistical
>> analysis, etc, etc. If you truely want to win in Las Vegas--this is what
>> you
>> need to do--cause that is what the pros do. For me--I can scalp trade
>> the
>> 30
>> min bar with 75% probability. The only way I got there is by testing,
>> testing, testing. What I;m trying to do is costantly trying to find
>> anything
>> that would improve my odds--could be the news--could be the orientation
>> of
>> the planets--the whistle of a train--even price action--I really don't
>> care--just as long as I can backtest it and come up with a consistent
>> probability.
>> respectfully,
>>
>> Pat
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mark Chickering" <mjc4118@yahoo.com>
>> To: <e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:19 PM
>> Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)
>>
>> > Personally I avoid trading near news items because if that reason.
>> There
>> > are simply too many opportunities for good trades that do not have the
>> > potential for disaster due to unforseen economic reports to be unwise
>> > about the timing of my entries. Most technical traders tell you to
>> avoid
>> > entries near economic reports for a reason. It is pretty much the
>> first
>> > rule you learn. If you want to gamble go to Las Vegas. At the tables
>> at
>> > least you know your odds. TRading is a business and risk reward
>> management
>> > is part of the business. This is not Las Vegas...
>> > Thanks
>> > Mark
>> > Sent from my mobile.
>> >
>> > Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>All you say is true--what I was hoping to find was "someone" who would
>> be
>> >>doing their own calculations (avoiding inside trading)--and while not
>> >>coming up with the exact report number--but would be pretty close. The
>> >>reason I suspect that this is available ( obviously--could be 100%
>> >>wrong)--but as I look at my indicators before the news--most of the
>> time
>> >>they support the news that comes out 20 secs later. For
>> scalping--which
>> is
>> >>what I do--20 secs is a very long time to wait.--but I may have no
>> choice.
>> >>Yesterday was perfect example--at the 30min bar after day Open--I had
>> >>perfect signal to short--and the news was forecasted as "bad". But--in
>> >>fact--the news was not only not as bad as forecasted--it actually was
>> very
>> >>"good"--and the market immediately turned against me. This is what I'm
>> >>trying to avoid. Will try your suggestion.
>> >>Thanks for thoughts,
>> >>Pat
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: Jack Jensen
>> >> To: e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:54 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> To my knowledge, for the most part there isn't anything better. With
>> the
>> >> exception of the MI Sentiment Index, which you can subscribe to and
>> get
>> >> that report :05-:10 earlier than the public announcement. I'm not
>> sure
>> >> why you can with that (private co.?), but with the others, if you
>> could
>> >> get it before it's "public knowledge", it would be insider trading.
>> Hence
>> >> part of the uproar over congress having access to much of the numbers
>> >> before it's made public and trading on it. There may be "better" or
>> worse
>> >> predictions of the expectation, but not likely
>> >> significantly/consistently. And you still have the factor of not
>> knowing
>> >> to what degree the news was baked into the market, whether the
>> results
>> >> was significant enough of a departure from the expectation to merit a
>> >> move, etc. My advice is to just ignore it and focus on the more
>> >> predictive, if smaller, moves.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Currently I get the "anticipated" news reports for free from
>> >> Forexfactory.com/calender. --Then about 20 secs after the scheduled
>> >> release--they post the "actual" report. Sometimes the "anticipated
>> news"
>> >> is different from the "actual news". Surely someone else provides a
>> more
>> >> accurate "anticipated news" service for a subscription fee. Does
>> anyone
>> >> know where I can pay for such a service?
>> >> tks,
>> >> Pat
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Jack Jensen
>> >>
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Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)

2012-02-08T10:58:00.000-08:00

Not really serious about gambling at Las Vegas--just trying to make a point--but the statistics would still work. 1) years ago used to do blackjack--based on card counting/odds--but that was extremely stressful--and was only doing it for entertainment. 2) Locally, there are a few (very few)--who actually will watch a slot machine for hours and hours before playing it--what they are looking for is for a machine that is slightly "broken" in favor of the customer (or so they tell me).--But they say they gotta grab it fast--before it is corrected. Maybe they are lying--maybe not--but the point is the same--need to look for the probabilities that are in your favor--in what ever you are doing..

----- Original Message -----

From: Jack Jensen

To: e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM

Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)

Sounds like a fine method for the market, but I beg to differ on the L.V. aspect. I'd be curious as to how you've been able to use that method in LV, because, as the dice and cards don't have a memory, the only way to win in LV (aside from sports betting or slots, but I doubt that's your reference) is by cheating. Or getting lucky over the short term and quitting. The probabilities are built-in to every game, and all of them favor the house, no matter the strategy. You may find a backtest where it happened to skew one way or another, but it's not going to be predictive of the future; the future results will skew it back towards the long-term, normal probability of a house edge of .08 to 10% or so, depending on the game.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net> wrote:

One's person's meat is another's poison. Everyone has their own appraoch.
Mine-as a matter of fact IS the LAS VEGAS method. I approach the market in
exactly the same way. Look for the probabilities--backtest--do a statistical
analysis, etc, etc. If you truely want to win in Las Vegas--this is what you
need to do--cause that is what the pros do. For me--I can scalp trade the 30
min bar with 75% probability. The only way I got there is by testing,
testing, testing. What I;m trying to do is costantly trying to find anything
that would improve my odds--could be the news--could be the orientation of
the planets--the whistle of a train--even price action--I really don't
care--just as long as I can backtest it and come up with a consistent
probability.
respectfully,

Pat
----- Original Message -----

From: "Mark Chickering" <mjc4118@yahoo.com>
To: <e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)

> Personally I avoid trading near news items because if that reason. There
> are simply too many opportunities for good trades that do not have the
> potential for disaster due to unforseen economic reports to be unwise
> about the timing of my entries. Most technical traders tell you to avoid
> entries near economic reports for a reason. It is pretty much the first
> rule you learn. If you want to gamble go to Las Vegas. At the tables at
> least you know your odds. TRading is a business and risk reward management
> is part of the business. This is not Las Vegas...
> Thanks
> Mark
> Sent from my mobile.
>
> Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>All you say is true--what I was hoping to find was "someone" who would be
>>doing their own calculations (avoiding inside trading)--and while not
>>coming up with the exact report number--but would be pretty close. The
>>reason I suspect that this is available ( obviously--could be 100%
>>wrong)--but as I look at my indicators before the news--most of the time
>>they support the news that comes out 20 secs later. For scalping--which is
>>what I do--20 secs is a very long time to wait.--but I may have no choice.
>>Yesterday was perfect example--at the 30min bar after day Open--I had
>>perfect signal to short--and the news was forecasted as "bad". But--in
>>fact--the news was not only not as bad as forecasted--it actually was very
>>"good"--and the market immediately turned against me. This is what I'm
>>trying to avoid. Will try your suggestion.
>>Thanks for thoughts,
>>Pat
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jack Jensen
>> To: e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)
>>
>>
>>
>> To my knowledge, for the most part there isn't anything better. With the
>> exception of the MI Sentiment Index, which you can subscribe to and get
>> that report :05-:10 earlier than the public announcement. I'm not sure
>> why you can with that (private co.?), but with the others, if you could
>> get it before it's "public knowledge", it would be insider trading. Hence
>> part of the uproar over congress having access to much of the numbers
>> before it's made public and trading on it. There may be "better" or worse
>> predictions of the expectation, but not likely
>> significantly/consistently. And you still have the factor of not knowing
>> to what degree the news was baked into the market, whether the results
>> was significant enough of a departure from the expectation to merit a
>> move, etc. My advice is to just ignore it and focus on the more
>> predictive, if smaller, moves.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently I get the "anticipated" news reports for free from
>> Forexfactory.com/calender. --Then about 20 secs after the scheduled
>> release--they post the "actual" report. Sometimes the "anticipated news"
>> is different from the "actual news". Surely someone else provides a more
>> accurate "anticipated news" service for a subscription fee. Does anyone
>> know where I can pay for such a service?
>> tks,
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jack Jensen
>>
>> "Life is not holding a good hand. Life is playing a poor
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Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)

2012-02-08T09:20:00.001-08:00

Sounds like a fine method for the market, but I beg to differ on the L.V. aspect. I'd be curious as to how you've been able to use that method in LV, because, as the dice and cards don't have a memory, the only way to win in LV (aside from sports betting or slots, but I doubt that's your reference) is by cheating. Or getting lucky over the short term and quitting. The probabilities are built-in to every game, and all of them favor the house, no matter the strategy. You may find a backtest where it happened to skew one way or another, but it's not going to be predictive of the future; the future results will skew it back towards the long-term, normal probability of a house edge of .08 to 10% or so, depending on the game.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net> wrote:

One's person's meat is another's poison. Everyone has their own appraoch.
Mine-as a matter of fact IS the LAS VEGAS method. I approach the market in
exactly the same way. Look for the probabilities--backtest--do a statistical
analysis, etc, etc. If you truely want to win in Las Vegas--this is what you
need to do--cause that is what the pros do. For me--I can scalp trade the 30
min bar with 75% probability. The only way I got there is by testing,
testing, testing. What I;m trying to do is costantly trying to find anything
that would improve my odds--could be the news--could be the orientation of
the planets--the whistle of a train--even price action--I really don't
care--just as long as I can backtest it and come up with a consistent
probability.
respectfully,

Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Chickering" <mjc4118@yahoo.com>
To: <e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)

> Personally I avoid trading near news items because if that reason. There
> are simply too many opportunities for good trades that do not have the
> potential for disaster due to unforseen economic reports to be unwise
> about the timing of my entries. Most technical traders tell you to avoid
> entries near economic reports for a reason. It is pretty much the first
> rule you learn. If you want to gamble go to Las Vegas. At the tables at
> least you know your odds. TRading is a business and risk reward management
> is part of the business. This is not Las Vegas...
> Thanks
> Mark
> Sent from my mobile.
>
> Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>All you say is true--what I was hoping to find was "someone" who would be
>>doing their own calculations (avoiding inside trading)--and while not
>>coming up with the exact report number--but would be pretty close. The
>>reason I suspect that this is available ( obviously--could be 100%
>>wrong)--but as I look at my indicators before the news--most of the time
>>they support the news that comes out 20 secs later. For scalping--which is
>>what I do--20 secs is a very long time to wait.--but I may have no choice.
>>Yesterday was perfect example--at the 30min bar after day Open--I had
>>perfect signal to short--and the news was forecasted as "bad". But--in
>>fact--the news was not only not as bad as forecasted--it actually was very
>>"good"--and the market immediately turned against me. This is what I'm
>>trying to avoid. Will try your suggestion.
>>Thanks for thoughts,
>>Pat
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jack Jensen
>> To: e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)
>>
>>
>>
>> To my knowledge, for the most part there isn't anything better. With the
>> exception of the MI Sentiment Index, which you can subscribe to and get
>> that report :05-:10 earlier than the public announcement. I'm not sure
>> why you can with that (private co.?), but with the others, if you could
>> get it before it's "public knowledge", it would be insider trading. Hence
>> part of the uproar over congress having access to much of the numbers
>> before it's made public and trading on it. There may be "better" or worse
>> predictions of the expectation, but not likely
>> significantly/consistently. And you still have the factor of not knowing
>> to what degree the news was baked into the market, whether the results
>> was significant enough of a departure from the expectation to merit a
>> move, etc. My advice is to just ignore it and focus on the more
>> predictive, if smaller, moves.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently I get the "anticipated" news reports for free from
>> Forexfactory.com/calender. --Then about 20 secs after the scheduled
>> release--they post the "actual" report. Sometimes the "anticipated news"
>> is different from the "actual news". Surely someone else provides a more
>> accurate "anticipated news" service for a subscription fee. Does anyone
>> know where I can pay for such a service?
>> tks,
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jack Jensen
>>
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Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)

2012-02-08T07:51:00.000-08:00

One's person's meat is another's poison. Everyone has their own appraoch.
Mine-as a matter of fact IS the LAS VEGAS method. I approach the market in
exactly the same way. Look for the probabilities--backtest--do a statistical
analysis, etc, etc. If you truely want to win in Las Vegas--this is what you
need to do--cause that is what the pros do. For me--I can scalp trade the 30
min bar with 75% probability. The only way I got there is by testing,
testing, testing. What I;m trying to do is costantly trying to find anything
that would improve my odds--could be the news--could be the orientation of
the planets--the whistle of a train--even price action--I really don't
care--just as long as I can backtest it and come up with a consistent
probability.
respectfully,
Pat
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mark Chickering" <mjc4118@yahoo.com>
To: <e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 3:19 PM
Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)

> Personally I avoid trading near news items because if that reason. There
> are simply too many opportunities for good trades that do not have the
> potential for disaster due to unforseen economic reports to be unwise
> about the timing of my entries. Most technical traders tell you to avoid
> entries near economic reports for a reason. It is pretty much the first
> rule you learn. If you want to gamble go to Las Vegas. At the tables at
> least you know your odds. TRading is a business and risk reward management
> is part of the business. This is not Las Vegas...
> Thanks
> Mark
> Sent from my mobile.
>
> Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>All you say is true--what I was hoping to find was "someone" who would be
>>doing their own calculations (avoiding inside trading)--and while not
>>coming up with the exact report number--but would be pretty close. The
>>reason I suspect that this is available ( obviously--could be 100%
>>wrong)--but as I look at my indicators before the news--most of the time
>>they support the news that comes out 20 secs later. For scalping--which is
>>what I do--20 secs is a very long time to wait.--but I may have no choice.
>>Yesterday was perfect example--at the 30min bar after day Open--I had
>>perfect signal to short--and the news was forecasted as "bad". But--in
>>fact--the news was not only not as bad as forecasted--it actually was very
>>"good"--and the market immediately turned against me. This is what I'm
>>trying to avoid. Will try your suggestion.
>>Thanks for thoughts,
>>Pat
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jack Jensen
>> To: e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:54 AM
>> Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)
>>
>>
>>
>> To my knowledge, for the most part there isn't anything better. With the
>> exception of the MI Sentiment Index, which you can subscribe to and get
>> that report :05-:10 earlier than the public announcement. I'm not sure
>> why you can with that (private co.?), but with the others, if you could
>> get it before it's "public knowledge", it would be insider trading. Hence
>> part of the uproar over congress having access to much of the numbers
>> before it's made public and trading on it. There may be "better" or worse
>> predictions of the expectation, but not likely
>> significantly/consistently. And you still have the factor of not knowing
>> to what degree the news was baked into the market, whether the results
>> was significant enough of a departure from the expectation to merit a
>> move, etc. My advice is to just ignore it and focus on the more
>> predictive, if smaller, moves.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Currently I get the "anticipated" news reports for free from
>> Forexfactory.com/calender. --Then about 20 secs after the scheduled
>> release--they post the "actual" report. Sometimes the "anticipated news"
>> is different from the "actual news". Surely someone else provides a more
>> accurate "anticipated news" service for a subscription fee. Does anyone
>> know where I can pay for such a service?
>> tks,
>> Pat
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jack Jensen
>>
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Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)

2012-02-07T14:19:00.001-08:00

Personally I avoid trading near news items because if that reason. There are simply too many opportunities for good trades that do not have the potential for disaster due to unforseen economic reports to be unwise about the timing of my entries. Most technical traders tell you to avoid entries near economic reports for a reason. It is pretty much the first rule you learn. If you want to gamble go to Las Vegas. At the tables at least you know your odds. TRading is a business and risk reward management is part of the business. This is not Las Vegas...
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Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net> wrote:

>All you say is true--what I was hoping to find was "someone" who would be doing their own calculations (avoiding inside trading)--and while not coming up with the exact report number--but would be pretty close. The reason I suspect that this is available ( obviously--could be 100% wrong)--but as I look at my indicators before the news--most of the time they support the news that comes out 20 secs later. For scalping--which is what I do--20 secs is a very long time to wait.--but I may have no choice. Yesterday was perfect example--at the 30min bar after day Open--I had perfect signal to short--and the news was forecasted as "bad". But--in fact--the news was not only not as bad as forecasted--it actually was very "good"--and the market immediately turned against me. This is what I'm trying to avoid. Will try your suggestion.
>Thanks for thoughts,
>Pat
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Jensen
> To: e-mini_traders_anon@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:54 AM
> Subject: Re: [e-mini_traders_anon] Trading the news (anticipated)
>
>
>
> To my knowledge, for the most part there isn't anything better. With the exception of the MI Sentiment Index, which you can subscribe to and get that report :05-:10 earlier than the public announcement. I'm not sure why you can with that (private co.?), but with the others, if you could get it before it's "public knowledge", it would be insider trading. Hence part of the uproar over congress having access to much of the numbers before it's made public and trading on it. There may be "better" or worse predictions of the expectation, but not likely significantly/consistently. And you still have the factor of not knowing to what degree the news was baked into the market, whether the results was significant enough of a departure from the expectation to merit a move, etc. My advice is to just ignore it and focus on the more predictive, if smaller, moves.
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> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:51 AM, Pat Cordova <pcordova10@comcast.net> wrote:
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> Currently I get the "anticipated" news reports for free from Forexfactory.com/calender. --Then about 20 secs after the scheduled release--they post the "actual" report. Sometimes the "anticipated news" is different from the "actual news". Surely someone else provides a more accurate "anticipated news" service for a subscription fee. Does anyone know where I can pay for such a service?
> tks,
> Pat
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2012-02-07T12:36:00.001-08:00

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in the next 12 to 24 months.

1. Our program was designed to CREATE a 5 figure monthly income in 12 to 24 months.

2. Do you fit that description?

3. Can you spend at least 4 hours a month and dedicate yourself to working our system?

How soon would you like to start working toward earning that monthly income?

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